Twinshock class run to no-stop rules

[David Lahey]

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there an underground, or should I be so bold to say, unaffiliated Classic Trials competition/club that I have heard exists in S E Qld that would solve all this debate, at least for the cane toads amongst you. If the traditionalists are that passionate about wearing gumboots, cheese cutter caps and smoking pipes, oh and that's right, not stopping, why not support those events more and add some cement to your tea or coffee and harden up when competing in the standard all era open events????
Just my non informed monoshock tuppence worth!

I'm going to have a go at interpreting this post later on tonight

Ha! I've just realised who the post is from and knowing that has helped a lot with the interpretation. OK here is what I reckon Diddly is saying:

"If enough support is shown to the idea, Twinshock bike riders would be able to ride SQTA events using no-stop rules."

Lovely idea. Thanks Diddly. I wish I lived close enough to take you up on it.

[Greg B]

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[cedric van heerden]

What started off as an opinion seeker has de-generated into a slanging match the likes of which I hate to see happening on our Trials Forum.
I ride Twins Shocks because I can keep up with them, I ride non stop as I don't have the time to pull in the clutch or use modern methods to get me out of trouble, I do admire the likes of Tony Bax, who has put a lot of time into getting his TLR to handle like a modern, however he can still get into trouble using modern methods.
At championship level we should see the best from our competitors, and if this means that the sections are set at a level that demands modern methods then so be it.
Save the non stop rule for historically correct competitions, and leave our club and interclub rules as they are.
Just my opinion
Cedric van Heerden

[SQUAT 405]

HI there!!!!!!!Everyone has probably got the new rules together by now even me to a point,as its been some time from the change,,,and the new rules have evolved as too the bikes. Iff it was just left as it is there would be no confusion with observers, and they are the ones who seem to be forgotten at times when they are the hardest part of the deal to get together ,apart from what the riders want ,the observers are what you have to look after as it is supposed to be OBSERVED TRIALS not mark you own card trials,,,Just be sure to set the sections to suit the field not the top one or two riders ,that is the thing that puts the mid field off the quickest. There is no problem braking a tie as on a few trials it had to be done the most memorable to me was twin shock mastes with Steve Holshauser and myself for second and third place 1 section was enough to sort that one out and also made a great spectical as everyone was there watching ,,,,,,,,,,,,just another view!!!!!!

[Mark K]

OK I'll stand up and be counted.

When competing, I often stop in a section. Generally this coincides with having one or more feet on the ground and being caught in an awkward position against or over some rock, or log or perhaps just some uneven piece of ground, which I failed to navigate successfully. If I'm stopped and this isn't the case then I'm either in the process of falling off, or I've just successfully demonstrated my ability to fall off at the slightest provocation.

I tend to ride with the nonstop method because I simply don't have anywhere near enough talent to do it any other way. I only ride for fun, and really don't take myself too seriously. (If I did I wouldn't force my poor little TY175 to try to bear up under my substantial mass.)

I do understand and appreciate the earlier comments about extra complications, difficulties finding observers and other volunteers, and other general problems associated with having multiple sets of rules or standards at a singe event, and I certainly mean no disrespect for anyone who thinks along those lines, but I still have the thought in the back of my mind that it would be good to have a go at riding in a competition that had no stop rules.

I must admit I'm a little confused about the earlier comments about "I would advise any enthusiastic twinshock owner who wants the non stopping rule introduced to email or write to their state MotoTrials sub committee requesting that this be put on the agenda and if enough states Sub Comm's submit it to MA the more chance we have of getting it introduced."

The way I read and understand my MOMS the rules and scoring system for this are already in place if only the organisers of any events would choose to use them, and include them in the sup regs. Its just that nobody in this part of the world seems to be choosing to go down that pathway. (Or am I somehow seeing this wrongly, or missing some point?)

And just so it can never be said I'm hiding in anonymity,
I am
Mark Keenan.

[SQUAT 405]

Yeah good one Mark iff you want it just put it in the sup regs and it cosher!!!!!!!!!

[David Lahey]

Hey Mark, if you want to give it a go, the Twinshock and Classic trial at Brooweena held each July is run to no-stop rules. You would fit in perfectly.
David

[Mark K]

Yeah good one Mark iff you want it just put it in the sup regs and it cosher!!!!!!!!!

So is the Motorcycling Australia 2009 Manual Of Motorcycle Sport not cosher enough for you then John?

How do you interpret 23.7.1.4 and 23.7.1.5 then if its not what I just said? (Along with the scoring for no stop trials on the following page)

And please understand I was not trying to be a smartarse about that, I was trying to understand.

Hey Mark, if you want to give it a go, the Twinshock and Classic trial at Brooweena held each July is run to no-stop rules. You would fit in perfectly.
David

And thanks David.
I didn't realise it was no stop rules, but I was already intending to make the trip up there this year anyway. It looks and sounds like way too much fun to miss.

[SQUAT 405]

Hi mark I dont have a coppy,,,,and havnt had for,10 years, i just make up the rules as i go along ,and am not realy interested in stuff that hasnt been positive for trials for years,,,,,, weather that be the rule book or the people that procrastinate over it,,,,,No i dont think you are being smart,as everyone is entitled to their opinion,,,,,,,

[keithj]

Mark K is right: no-stop is catered for in the MoMS. All that needs happen is for organisers to choose to run their (affiliated) event as no-stop.

Can an event use both stop and no-stop rules? Eg. T/S use no-stop and everyone else stop?