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Jon V8 wrote:Isnt it odd how FM350's bold statements about the dire state of classic trials gets taken as gospel ?
FM350 wrote:Trouble with TS/P65 trials here in the UK is that there are no sensible rules or classes whatever, and this leads to the ridiculous situation where a Brit twinshock costing £10K + is allowed to run in the "P65" class, and someone with a M10 Bultaco in original condition has to ride it against highly modified Fantic's fitted with reed valve motors!
With proper rules and sensible classes (as used in most of the rest of Europe, and the US) then I would think classic competition here would attract a great deal more interest, and the costs of competing could be substantially reduced. Sadly though change is not likely to happen here, due mainly to the very vocal minority who seem to think everything is perfectly OK, and there is no need to make any sort of changes for the better.
Jon V8 wrote:FM350 wrote:Trouble with TS/P65 trials here in the UK is that there are no sensible rules or classes whatever, and this leads to the ridiculous situation where a Brit twinshock costing £10K + is allowed to run in the "P65" class, and someone with a M10 Bultaco in original condition has to ride it against highly modified Fantic's fitted with reed valve motors!
With proper rules and sensible classes (as used in most of the rest of Europe, and the US) then I would think classic competition here would attract a great deal more interest, and the costs of competing could be substantially reduced. Sadly though change is not likely to happen here, due mainly to the very vocal minority who seem to think everything is perfectly OK, and there is no need to make any sort of changes for the better.
I guess your comment about the vocal minority is aimed squarely at me,so I guess an answer is in order. Chris, I do find it hard to understand where you are coming from,when you make a statement like the one above - then in your next post you want a class with 2 shocks,air cooled and drum brakes.Surely this puts the M10 Bully and the Fantic straight back in the same class ? And just how many "Brit twinshocks" are there around that cost £10k, I've just finished the Somerton Classic British 2 day where there was one HT Ariel that cost around £6k,probably by far the most expensive bike there.
I'll tell you what the problem is with Classic trials in the UK - its finding enough observers,today we were 3 short at the start,a couple of Golden Valley trials back they only had 4 observers for 10 sections.It doesnt stop the trial,but it also doesnt make for good continuity of scoring.It seems most clubs have this problem,many ideas have been tried with varying degrees of success.
As a final point,which will be repeating myself,but you dont seem to take any notice - if you want different rules for Pre65 or Twinshock trials its VERY simple,join a club,get on the commitee and make the proposals.If the changes are good people will ride your trials,if they are not,they wont - its that simple.
You are more than welcome to take over my position of running Bath Classics trials,I only took it on because nobody else was willing to do it.If you take it over I can get back to concentrating on riding - which is what I love doing.
TriCub wrote:This hole issuse of flat slides seems a bit piontless to me as the technology and desingn of flat slide carbs has been around since the early seventies yet none of the major manufacturers used them until recently. From my expierence over the last 40 years of playing with bikes, the reason for that is because there is no advantage over a good round slide. If you were talking about an MX or road race machine that needs every last bit of power then flat slide has an edge.
So to say that your the only alternative to a worn out original is a new flat slide is just not true, there are several round slide brands that are still available new.
Just to name a few, Mikuni, Delorto, OKO and if your brian dead Amal MK1 & MK2. It is still quite possible to find used Mikuni round slides at wreckers or swap meets that are in as new condition for a fraction of the cost of any new carb.
Roger. I would think that only yourself and one other person in Australia that rides classic think that Pommie bike should use English carbs, yet the rules got changed. I still can't believe that it is ok to use a MK1 Amal that is not a peroid carb(wasn't made until 1966)and doesn't even look like anything that was fitted to pommie stuff pre65, yet a genuine pre 65 Honda Keihin is not. It's amazing how the MA rule thing works.
Buy the way you should while in England grab the lastest edition of the Tiger Cub Bible and read the revised chapter on the French Army Cubs that didn't get the Square finned parts until 1965.
