Show us a picture of your Twinshock

[David Lahey]

David
I reckon I might be able to tell you what that bike is!

No fair if you have inside knowledge

[Jon V8]

Thats pretty much the case, and personally I have never ridden any twin-shock bike that works better than the silver Yam pictured.

Again a contradiction,first you say these converted mono's have no advantage and are indeed inferior to a Fantic - then you go on to say that one of them rides better than any twinshock you have ridden.You are quite right,I have not ridden either of these bikes,I'm not at all interested as they are not in the spirit of twinshock trials - which at least I support,organise and actually ride on a regualar basis.(Rather than just moan about and try to sell inappropriate bikes)And before you start going on about not listening to people or wanting to change,you are completely wrong.At each trial I run I ask riders what they think of it,what they would like to see etc.I can only assume they are happy with what we do,as the only request we have had in the last year is to start giving awards - which we are working on.

[FM350]

Heres something I have ridden and yes, apart from the motor running as badly as air-cooled Yam mono motors usually do, it was pretty good to ride for something with two shocks.
See if anyone can work out how it was put together

Not quite sure about the Italjet tank, and yes you are 100% correct about how bad the mono motors run! How anyone can suggest they provide any sort of advantage is hard to work out.

[FM350]

Thats pretty much the case, and personally I have never ridden any twin-shock bike that works better than the silver Yam pictured.

Again a contradiction,first you say these converted mono's have no advantage and are indeed inferior to a Fantic - then you go on to say that one of them rides better than any twinshock you have ridden.You are quite right,I have not ridden either of these bikes,I'm not at all interested as they are not in the spirit of twinshock trials - which at least I support,organise and actually ride on a regualar basis.(Rather than just moan about and try to sell inappropriate bikes)And before you start going on about not listening to people or wanting to change,you are completely wrong.At each trial I run I ask riders what they think of it,what they would like to see etc.I can only assume they are happy with what we do,as the only request we have had in the last year is to start giving awards - which we are working on.

Sorry Jon I guess you couldnt have noticed the bike pictured above isnt a converted mono, its a ground up recently built bike, thats powered by a TY Mono motor. As to the "spirit" of twin-shock trials (whatever that is?) I wonder how you feel about modern Brit powered twin-shocks being ridden in the P65 class?

I guess though it must be very difficult to be trying to run classic events when you have no rules to speak of, and need to decide issues related to machine eligibility on the basis of you personally feeling that a cheap converted mono isnt in the spirit, but a £10K+ Brit twin-shock is, and can thus be ridden in the P65 class?

[Jon V8]

Chris,there is little if anything of that bike that is from a real twinshock bike and because of its motor it bears more resemblance to a Yam mono than any twinshock bike that is what we all understand as a product of the twinshock era.
As for it being difficult running classic events, no its not - we are just a large bunch of people who enjoy riding old bikes in sensible sections where no hero riding is needed,and riders hang around after the trial chatting and catching up on trials chat.(If its not peeing down with rain)Its very good fun and very rewarding,plenty of fun,lots of teasing and cheers when riders do well.(Plus more teasing or encouragement if they struggle)
What can be wrong with that ? I would like to invite you along to our next trial this sunday the 22nd at Lambs Lair,10.30 am - bring a bike or just come and watch,you will be made very welcome.Then you will be reminded of how the south west classic trials situation is actually doing - alive and kicking,and enjoying itself.

[FM350]

Personally I think the Chris Koch Cotswold TY is very good indeed.............but along with 2012 P65 machines it should really be ridden in a specials class, rather than as a twinshock. Personally I think there is a very strong need for rules related to TS and P65 here in the UK, and maybe something along the lines of the Aus system would work well, along with a specials class where anything that doesnt comply with the said rules could be used?

[Jon V8]

Why dont you accept my genuine invitation - come along on sunday and see for yourself,ask the riders,look at the bikes.It may be raining - but then it is the Mendips...

[Takhli44]

Jon V8, your description of twin shock class and riders fits perfectly with what we call "vintage class" here in Wyoming USA. Our only equipment rules for the club trials are "air cooled, drum brakes, and twin shock". The main idea is to have a bunch of fun and not get hurt.

[FM350]

I think the idea of air cooled motor, drum brakes, and 2x rear shocks for club trials is just the thing to help get more interest in riding older bikes. At the end of the day anything which reduces cost, and makes access easier for more people has to be a good thing!

[pop]

Maybe it might be good to have "stock and modified class" like in Jet Ski racing, but I would hate to see the attitude infect trials like they have in Jet Ski racing.
Davids bike above looks like a Yam 250 that spiked an Italjets drink at the office party and that is the result