Cub barrels.

[paulm]

Imagine an absolute Newby thinking about getting the old bike out of the shed to have a go, or even going out and buying one…

They head to TA to get some of the ‘good oil’ and guess what – they walk away thinking the whole twinshock/classic scene is run by bunch of jobsworths and that most of the competition takes place in the protest room.

[grs0]

Hi All

Just wanted to throw my support behind the Classic class in Victoria. Presently riding a modern in clubman, but working on a B40 to hopefully ride this year or next, but not really keen to ride anything higher than Clubman on it. Three reasons, ability( lack off) and cost to fix up too much damage, getting too old to injure myself.
Well said Geoff and Francis B; keep stirring the pot all, and hope to see everyone at Glenmaggie..

GS

[Twinshock200]

Forgive me for getting off the original subject but this is relevant following some previous comments.
Correct me if I am wrong but there is one point that hasn't been aired so far and new or potential riders for Classic class might not be aware of and that is the fact that Classic bikes can ride anywhere they like in a section.
Riding Clubman (white arrows) lines is something that has been verbally agreed in the past between some Classic riders and does not have to be adhered to unless it is stipulated in the Supp Regs or you are one of the guys that agreed to do it.
The guys that agreed to do the Clubman lines in Qld probably 10 years ago were mostly good riders and were capable of handling the clubman sections but we are all getting older and there are some good young blokes coming through who are a bit more adventurous so I for one will be riding to the rule book when I get back later this month.
Imagine a heavyweight Ariel, Matchless, Royal Enfield etc etc. doing Clubman lines, its no wonder we don't see them out anymore.
Cheers

[gristy]

Here we go again..if anyone wants to go back a couple of years on this forum site I put up a list of idea about heights, seats, hubs etc. Not one person really responded on the site but went onto other sites to rubbbish it. All it was was ideas to discuss like you are now.
Some of us still remember who went to Melbourne to change back to no Spanish bikes and British carbs on British bikes, then change supp regs to no square barrel BSA & Triumph. Gentlemen look how many times a square barrel cub has already won the Aussie Titles.
The one thing we can all do, here in Aus, to really make any pre65 bike ride better is fit a tubeless rim and Michy xlite tyre. The rims and tyres are not major components.
I ride NSW & Canberra opens and am a member of Deman Twinshock Trials Club, competing on my rigid cub (was a plunger frame). I ride clubman lines in opens, riding whatever I want and as much of the C grade lines as possible, I ride for fun and to see what me and the old girl can do.
Denman is having the NSW Twinshock Classic again this year, unfortunately it is only a one day event... Wouldn't it be nice to get this sorted out so we could have a twin shock classic event in VIC, NSW and QLD in one year.
Denman runs all grade lines and also pre70.
Geoff, I will hopefully see you at Glenmaggie and might be able to help you out with a front end for your cub.

Regards,
Gristy

[oldslowcoach]

I submitted a proposal to the MA trials commission last year regarding changing Classic Pre 65 to Classic Pre 70 thus allowing more bikes into the Classic scene and I will do the same again when appropriate this year for next years MOMS

Galps, I am not objecting per se, but where does your mandate come from or can anyone submit proposals to MA? I am clearly nowhere near the loop. This subject, while very important is becoming staggeringly complicated. Classifying bikes / components by age, pre 65, pre 70, always becomes subjective and needs to be backed up by an agreed list, as classic mx. Likewise some RL's in, some out, some Spanish in, some out sounds like trouble to me. Infact it sounded like twin shock. Are there really any Sprites, Anglians and Cottons sat in Australian sheds waiting to be released?

osc

[TriCub]

I submitted a proposal to the MA trials commission last year regarding changing Classic Pre 65 to Classic Pre 70 thus allowing more bikes into the Classic scene and I will do the same again when appropriate this year for next years MOMS

Galps, I am not objecting per se, but where does your mandate come from or can anyone submit proposals to MA? I am clearly nowhere near the loop. This subject, while very important is becoming staggeringly complicated. Classifying bikes / components by age, pre 65, pre 70, always becomes subjective and needs to be backed up by an agreed list, as classic mx. Likewise some RL's in, some out, some Spanish in, some out sounds like trouble to me. Infact it sounded like twin shock. Are there really any Sprites, Anglians and Cottons sat in Australian sheds waiting to be released?

osc

Peter I'll try and give a run down on MA system as I know it.
Anyone can send in a rule change request. The info on how to is on the MA web site.
The proposed rule change gets forwarded to the Commission who discuss it's merrits then they are meant to send it out to the states trials sub committee who are in turn meant to gauge opinion from the riders at club level.
Not sure I've ever heard of this happening as it should, the system seems to get bogged down somehow.
I know in 2010 the proposed rule changes seemed to be a well keep seceret and by the time it had found it's way to the Western Districts for discusion it was to late to get a responce into MA's board meeting where they voted them in. Not sure if the other clubs new about them but I think that the majority of classic rider in QLD are in that club.
Galps did send in a rule change request and from what I gleaned from the Commissions minutes(available from MA web site) it was rejected without even being sent out for discussion.

I've had quite a bit to do with the classic MX scene and there have been times with made phone arrounds between clubs to try and stop crazy rule changes from happening. Most time they succeeded and now have quite a workable set of rules that most people are happy with.
Biggest thing with any rule change is to ask how many will it put out of the class or will it let more in. Don't know if there is any detailed info but I'm sure that the 2010 changes pushed several out of the sport. I wonder if the ban on Spanish and Jap carb hadn't happened how many riders would have pulled out ? I would have loved to compete against the M10 and shown it a bit of Pommy superiority, assuming here that it's rider was not to much better than me.
No good saying what if, we need to fix things to get more interested.

Perhaps we should put pen to paper or keyboard to screen or whatever the computer term is and come up with some PDF's of what we think the rules should be and post them in a thread for all to read and comment on. From this we should be able to give MA a proposal with some weight behind if the majority could ever agree. Can't hurt to try, so get typing.

[Twinshock200]

I believe George's comments are correct about my submission to the MA Trials Commission and I also understand his interpretation of the system is also correct,,,,,,,, this is a first, George and I agree on something .
It would also be nice to think that some other relevant interested parties could also put some thoughts together on any revisions and alterations to the Classic rules and eligibility but I have seen it all happen before on this website, lots of ideas but no real direction.
Unless someone is elected spokesperson to represent the majority of individuals who have an interest in the Classic scene and is prepared to put together a Powerpoint type presentation, as George suggests, to all the State Trials sub committee's and eventually the MA Trials Commission to let them know we want change to our beloved Classic grade, it will not happen through simply discussing it here.

I wonder if the members of the MA Trials Commission read whats going on here but in their official capacity can make no comment, of course we cannot rely on them pushing changes through from suggestions here, we have to drive it ourselves.
At least there are a few people now starting to say we get our heads together and this makes sense, anyone willing to drive it,???? and I suggest its done away from this website until we have some concrete proposals to put forward to all parties.
If anyone wants to contact me through my email its: [email protected]
Cheers
Galps

[Geoff Lewis]

Hi All, Just having some thoughts on the pre 70 as a cut off date, OSC makes a valid point about components and complexities of such. Just wondering if it would be easier to leave the rules much as they are and simply specifically name the bikes that, although don't strictly meet the cut off date, could be included in the group. Although pre 70 allows me, no, compels me to find a Gaunt Jawa to ride and my wife can't then in all fairness refuse me. I actually owned a 90cc Jawa trail at one time and it was hilarious to ride, the powerband was unbelievable! Should never have sold it! Glad your coming down for Glenmaggie Gristy. I will be there from the Wednesday as I will be helping with set up and section setting. I think a discussion group off this forum but with a link might be a good idea. Does anyone know how to set this up?
Regards Geoff.

[oldslowcoach]

This is good. Suggest the riding parties all email Galps in the first instance then reply all in future. It will self drive until some sort of agreement is achieved then the proposal can be drafted. Should be able to get a few extra known names involved

osc

[TriCub]

This is good. Suggest the riding parties all email Galps in the first instance then reply all in future. It will self drive until some sort of agreement is achieved then the proposal can be drafted. Should be able to get a few extra known names involved

osc

Peter I'm not quit sure that using Rogers Email is the way to go initially. I thought we can just open a new thread here and post for all to see, but not have any discussion in that thread or it will just turn into a big bun fight.
Come on web admin. How can we set up something?