2015 Proposed rule changes

[TriCub]

Good news for the Spainish bike lovers. Looks like the damage done to pre65 by persons I won't name should be finally fixed. Here is a link to the proposed rule changes for 2015.

http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upl ... s_2015.pdf

With that wording the M10 would be out but so to would be any chance of using a square finned cub.
If it wasn't for those ridiculous rear sprocket covers and lanyard kills I might have even considered putting together a pre65 Bul.
Bad news though for those that wanted a pre 70 class.

Thanks to Peter for pionting out that further down the page there is also a new specials class for bike pre68. That fits the M10 Bul your later Bantams and Sqrare cubs not mention a heap of others.

[JC1]

If it wasn't for those ridiculous rear sprocket covers and lanyard kills I might have even considered putting together a pre65 Bul.

George, I really encourage you to go ahead & build it. Don't let a mere sharkfin or lanyard curb your talent or steal your fun! As they say, just do it.

[sybella]

Well I hope this will bring a few more out to ride instead of complaining what's wrong with everything . Got trial on tomorrow happy days. Cheers tony bax

[A.Phillipson]

With the wording of the proposed rule changes,

d) Special
i) Machines first available to the general public before 1 January 1968,
ii) Any such machines that have been modified to provide the ground clearance or chassis performance consistent with the Post
Classic era,
iii) D10/14 Bantam, BSA C15F/G, M10 Bultaco, and aftermarket-framed machines are eligible for this category (not Pre-1965).
e) Post Classic (Twin Shock):
i) For models designed and first manufactured between 1st January 1965 to 31st December 1986,
ii) Disc brake models are not eligible,
iii) Pre-1965 machines that have been modified so as to provide a ground clearance or chassis performance more in keeping with this era shall
compete as specials in this Post Classic category.

Would this mean that the M10 would have to compete in post classic?
That's how I read it. With the current rules in place;
*For machines manufactured before 1965 and excluding machines manufactured in Spain
This mean that the M10 has to already compete in post classic. This new ruling will also mean that more classic bike will have to move from classic to post classic.
The only plus side of it is that Spanish bikes can compete in classic again,which would be using models like the sherpa N. Would this be possible with the frame modification ruling that would make a classic have to compete in post classic.

What would be classed as performance chassis modifications?
More ground clearance?
Relocation of foot peg?
Moving of rear shock pivot points on sub frame/frame?
Narrower in and lowering of rear sub frame?
Welding bash plate mounting lugs?

How would all these modifications be checked?
Some of these modification can be done without changing the look of the motorcycle,yet the can change the performance drastically.

I'm very curious to how all this would work.

Thanks Allan

[David Lahey]

Allan that line
"iii) Pre-1965 machines that have been modified so as to provide a ground clearance or chassis performance more in keeping with this era shall compete as specials in this Post Classic category." is supposed to be getting deleted from the paragraph you quoted. The intention is for the M10 and M27 and other pre-68 Bultacos to be eligible to compete in the new class "Classic Pre68", and for pre 65 Bultacos to be eligible to be ridden in Classic P65

As for all your other questions, yes it will be tricky all right

I'm still deciding what to do, because I could build a P65 Bultaco or a P68 Bultaco but don't want to do both - will be waiting to see if the rule changes are approved and if they work out in real life first before spending any more money

[TriCub]

From what I understand there is to be a new class in Classic called "Specials" for bikes made up to 1968.
I word from one of the Commision would help here.
As for modification, in the past moving footpegs and fitting bash plates seems to have been ok but cutting frames to lift motors or removing lower frame tube to improve ground clearance is out. Moving rear suspension mounts would also be improving chassis performance. Rear sub frames, don't know but my opion would be if it is lowered at the seat or narrowed it would also improve chassis performance.
I can't think of to many of the current Classics that this rule would bump up into specials that are legal in the current rules. Although I do recall seeing a couple of modified frame machines in the past that should go up.

[A.Phillipson]

From what I understand there is to be a new class in Classic called "Specials" for bikes made up to 1968.
I word from one of the Commision would help here.
As for modification, in the past moving footpegs and fitting bash plates seems to have been ok but cutting frames to lift motors or removing lower frame tube to improve ground clearance is out. Moving rear suspension mounts would also be improving chassis performance. Rear sub frames, don't know but my opion would be if it is lowered at the seat or narrowed it would also improve chassis performance.
I can't think of to many of the current Classics that this rule would bump up into specials that are legal in the current rules. Although I do recall seeing a couple of modified frame machines in the past that should go up.

There's more modded frame then you think. Hence asking the question.

[A.Phillipson]

Allan that line
"iii) Pre-1965 machines that have been modified so as to provide a ground clearance or chassis performance more in keeping with this era shall compete as specials in this Post Classic category." is supposed to be getting deleted from the paragraph you quoted. The intention is for the M10 and M27 and other pre-68 Bultacos to be eligible to compete in the new class "Classic Pre68", and for pre 65 Bultacos to be eligible to be ridden in Classic P65

As for all your other questions, yes it will be tricky all right

I'm still deciding what to do, because I could build a P65 Bultaco or a P68 Bultaco but don't want to do both - will be waiting to see if the rule changes are approved and if they work out in real life first before spending any more money

It will be interesting to see what will happen. I would have thought that if that line in the rules was going to be deleted that it would already have been done to the rules I've copied from the providing link.
It will all show up in time.

So with the P68 classic this will involve all the bikes listed ie C15,D14 cubs etc? Basically any bike before 1968?
Would this mean that the rules that define post classic be adjusted to suit this new ruling?

The other question would be will these bikes be riding the current classic lines or separate lines to cater to there ""special attributes""

Is there an ETA on when all this will finalised?

Like you David I have access to a pre65 bully as well as my beautiful M10. I'm very keen to see which way this goes. The M10 hasn't been ridden in anger for some time now.

[sybella]

In the last four years the only bloke I have ridden with in pre65 on this thread is Allan . The puppet masters strike again .Its like we won't play until I get the rules we like .Please just put a lanyard and shark fin on and turn up .people just want to see these old bikes going around ,KEY BOARD trials can't be fun .TonyBax

[TriCub]

From what I understand there is to be a new class in Classic called "Specials" for bikes made up to 1968.
I word from one of the Commision would help here.
As for modification, in the past moving footpegs and fitting bash plates seems to have been ok but cutting frames to lift motors or removing lower frame tube to improve ground clearance is out. Moving rear suspension mounts would also be improving chassis performance. Rear sub frames, don't know but my opion would be if it is lowered at the seat or narrowed it would also improve chassis performance.
I can't think of to many of the current Classics that this rule would bump up into specials that are legal in the current rules. Although I do recall seeing a couple of modified frame machines in the past that should go up.

There's more modded frame then you think. Hence asking the question.

Yes I have seen bikes ridden at Australian titles in classic that had heavily modded frames and even though people were talking about it behind the rider back nothing was done about it because they were well down the leaders board. Seems that most clubs turn a blind eye to the classic as there are so few out there. I can say that the frame swingarm and rear sub frame on Cub are completely stock. It was good enough to win an OZ title but in some eyes I was cheating apearently by using a Kehin carb from a 1963 Honda.
I guess at least with the new rule the people with those modded framed bikes can come clean and still ride.

Your question to Dave about which section. Most of the bikes listed for the new class would be no better than what is already riding so I would imagine the same lines unless a there is a large influx of experts hopping to pick up a trophy.