ty 250 mono aftermarket parts

[FM350]

The Yam Mono is outclassed by Fantic's in the air cooled mono class, but the motors are ideal for twin-shock bikes. So I would think if the guy making the new frames comes up with something that has modern steering and suspension geometry and a nice looking tank/seat unit, he is going to be onto a winner, not least due to the fact that its getting pretty difficult to find competitive TS bikes now, and Yam Monos are still quite easy to find and have good spares back up.

I might make a few of the Yam back boxes, as they will fit a Fantic with a change of mounting bracket and intake pipe. Have got some press tools, and have already made one box to go on a TY340 I am making a front box for currently. Increasing the volume over the very small original front box provides much better performance, especially so in the case of larger capacity motors, which tend to get stifled by the small and restrictive OE exhaust systems.

[Ferretflasher]

Interesting but the supply of Yam Monos is not in-exhaustible ...... sooner or later they become harder to find. I am stocking up on most parts but the real hard to find bits for Yam are seats, forks and running gear and engine casings. Usually any Yam bits I buy are knackered and so need money to refurb them.
The Kock bike front pipe is about as bit as you should go but I do find the stainless ProMonty exhaust pretty good, as these are totally clean and not full of 25 years of oily crud to bung it up!
Just rode my #2 bike in a Yorkshire Group -Stocksbridge- and it can still do the business ...... if only I could etc etc! It is NOT found wanting in my skills range and hopefully I shall NOT be last !!!

[Jon V8]

The Yam Mono is outclassed by Fantic's in the air cooled mono class, but the motors are ideal for twin-shock bikes. So I would think if the guy making the new frames comes up with something that has modern steering and suspension geometry and a nice looking tank/seat unit, he is going to be onto a winner, not least due to the fact that its getting pretty difficult to find competitive TS bikes now, and Yam Monos are still quite easy to find and have good spares back up.

I might make a few of the Yam back boxes, as they will fit a Fantic with a change of mounting bracket and intake pipe. Have got some press tools, and have already made one box to go on a TY340 I am making a front box for currently. Increasing the volume over the very small original front box provides much better performance, especially so in the case of larger capacity motors, which tend to get stifled by the small and restrictive OE exhaust systems.

No - the engines are NOT ideal for twinshock bikes,they were never fitted to them and never should be - all this is going to do is stir up a whole load of aggro.There are still plenty of twinshocks around to buy and ride or rebuild to ride.
Supporting ideas like this will only wind things up like the arguement thats going on in the TC website about what is acceptable in Pre65.
People that want a bike to ride like a modern should just go and buy a Gas Gas or similar - its that simple.

[FM350]

Interesting but the supply of Yam Monos is not in-exhaustible ...... sooner or later they become harder to find. I am stocking up on most parts but the real hard to find bits for Yam are seats, forks and running gear and engine casings. Usually any Yam bits I buy are knackered and so need money to refurb them.
The Kock bike front pipe is about as bit as you should go but I do find the stainless ProMonty exhaust pretty good, as these are totally clean and not full of 25 years of oily crud to bung it up!
Just rode my #2 bike in a Yorkshire Group -Stocksbridge- and it can still do the business ...... if only I could etc etc! It is NOT found wanting in my skills range and hopefully I shall NOT be last !!!

In common with "P65" bikes which have fallen into disuse due to sections being marked for modern day Trickshocks of the type used in the "P65" Scottish, there are an awful lot of TY Monos out there which simply dont get used much nowadays. Big problem with old air-cooled mono's is that most have very badly worn rear suspension, and its simply not worth spending £5-600 on them to ride infrequently in events with an air-cooled mono class.

The stock TY Mono motor is pretty awful, but with a decent exhaust and flat slide carb fitted, they go far better and these changes dont cost that much money. Main advantage of a TY Mono twin-shock is that its reasonably competitive, and quite nice to ride in comparison to early TS bikes of the type that can be bought for around about the same money as a nicely done TY/TS.

Here in the UK converted mono-shocks are not allowed in Miller or Normandale national events, but the Chris Koch bike with a TY mono motor fitted into a ground up built TS frame is perfectly ok, as are Fantic TS fitted with later reed valve motors.

Setting aside the complaints of those who feel its perfectly ok to spend £10K+ on building a 2012 "P65" Trickshock, I think the guy building the TS frames for TY Mono running gear is going to have a winner on his hands, and I think the first one might be seen at the Telford show next month.

[Jon V8]

Interesting but the supply of Yam Monos is not in-exhaustible ...... sooner or later they become harder to find. I am stocking up on most parts but the real hard to find bits for Yam are seats, forks and running gear and engine casings. Usually any Yam bits I buy are knackered and so need money to refurb them.
The Kock bike front pipe is about as bit as you should go but I do find the stainless ProMonty exhaust pretty good, as these are totally clean and not full of 25 years of oily crud to bung it up!
Just rode my #2 bike in a Yorkshire Group -Stocksbridge- and it can still do the business ...... if only I could etc etc! It is NOT found wanting in my skills range and hopefully I shall NOT be last !!!

In common with "P65" bikes which have fallen into disuse due to sections being marked for modern day Trickshocks of the type used in the "P65" Scottish, there are an awful lot of TY Monos out there which simply dont get used much nowadays. Big problem with old air-cooled mono's is that most have very badly worn rear suspension, and its simply not worth spending £5-600 on them to ride infrequently in events with an air-cooled mono class.

The stock TY Mono motor is pretty awful, but with a decent exhaust and flat slide carb fitted, they go far better and these changes dont cost that much money. Main advantage of a TY Mono twin-shock is that its reasonably competitive, and quite nice to ride in comparison to early TS bikes of the type that can be bought for around about the same money as a nicely done TY/TS.

Here in the UK converted mono-shocks are not allowed in Miller or Normandale national events, but the Chris Koch bike with a TY mono motor fitted into a ground up built TS frame is perfectly ok, as are Fantic TS fitted with later reed valve motors.

Setting aside the complaints of those who feel its perfectly ok to spend £10K+ on building a 2012 "P65" Trickshock, I think the guy building the TS frames for TY Mono running gear is going to have a winner on his hands, and I think the first one might be seen at the Telford show next month.

What you are suggesting is going to send Twinshock the same way as your comments about "£10K" pre65 bikes.Can you not see that ? BTW there are plenty of Pre65 bikes being used in very suitable trials,I rode a VMCC trial yesterday where I reckon there must have been about 80 bikes,no mono's and very few twinshocks.There were allsorts there from original rigid Ajay's through to a lovely Velo.Some were very original,some were well modified,everyone had a good time.
Building a twinshock frame to suit a Yam mono engine is just going to wind everyone up,which is silly as there are plenty of clubs that have an aircooled mono class or an over 50/60 mono class - any of those three is where they belong - not being chopped up into something they never were.And nobody is going to sell a frame for less than a grand,so by the time you have added all the other parts you will need there will be a large bill.
I just cant see what you aim to achieve by promoting this,esp when its you who is so vocal in moaning about £6-10K trick bikes killing Classic trials in the UK.A new twinshock frame designed for a mono engine is heading straight down the same road.

[FM350]

Lots of people want to ride TS bikes rather than modern, and as a fair number of these riders are older and have money, then I would imagine a recently designed modern day TS chassis kit, which would accept running gear from something like a TY mono would be a very good seller.

This isnt likely to mean the same ridiculous situation as P65 though, for the simple reason that a nicely built original Fantic is going to be more competitive than a TY mono in a modern day TS chassis.

The fact that clubs running classic trials here in the UK largely seem to accept the Scottish thinking that a Trickshock costing £8-10k, is in fact an authentic "P65" machine is whats killed P65 in the UK, and not that these bikes exist in the first place.

If the Trickshock bikes were to be ridden in a Trickshock class then theres no problem at all, but not many organisers seem to have the balls to tell someone who turns up with one of these machines, that they cant ride it in the "P65" class!

The knock on effect of this is riders with more authentic bikes pack in or go modern, with some clubs introducing modern classes to boost flagging entries. This seems a shame, but until such time as organisers decide to ignore what goes on in Scotland, and act to in the interests of the sport, its going to be very difficult to reverse dwindling numbers.

[Ferretflasher]

Gosh we have gone off topic .... big style !!

Yes I agree that to build a modern TS frame that would accept mono parts is taking things too far and will only create more division and arguments and we have seen monos with 2 rear shocks fitted as being non-sporting. Better in my opinion to leave a mono as a mono !! But if that's what they wish to do, then OK !! And yes, there are plenty of twin shocks around to keep the TS sport going. Anyway I think if folk want to spend £5k on a bike ... fine ..... best of British mate ....!! Now these people 'aint daft, they know they wont win against top riders, they do it for a variety of reasons, chasing yesterdays dreams, etc etc ......... so whats the harm .... I doubt if the Twin Shock sport will ever achieve the excesses of the Pre-65 sport. I am not even going to start debating the Pre-65 sport, its not my cup of tea !!

Anyway back to topic ........... like I said, the TY Mono still has tons of ability, Stocksbridge trial section 5, a rider did casually say to me "you're not going to attempt this section on that ?" ....... er yes !! 2nd gear ..... plenty of speed .... launch it up .... 8 foot banking out of stream .... rode it for 2 !!!
Thats why I like my mono's they can still do modern bike type sections, its only the rider who cant do it, the mono can !! Big mistake I made though was to get a move on with it being bloomin cold with that frozen wind out on the exposed hills. I finished 2 laps about 3pm and Dan Thorpe had only just finished his first lap. Must start these trials about 1 hour late in future, much easier to ride bedded-in sections !!

[Jon V8]

It has rather gone off topic - but when someone comes out with utter rubbish like FM350 has then it needs answering to set the record straight.His post contradicts itself badly - he first says "Lots of people want to ride TS bikes rather than modern". He ends his post by saying " Some clubs introducing modern classes to boost flagging entries".You only need look at Ebay to see there is plenty of choice in bikes.(Pre65 pre unit is MUCH more difficult)
I'd be very interested to know who these clubs these are.To give an example I had two separate conversations yesterday with organisers from two other Classic trials clubs.The main topic of both was the problem of clashing dates,there just arent enough dates to go around - yet we all seem to get 60-100 riders at each trial.
I was asked yesterday if I had an entry to the Golden Valley March Hare,and was told they are full already... The Dartmoor two day is always oversubscribed,to name just a couple.
The Pre65 Scottish is just one trial which will always be oversubscribed because so many want a chance to ride the famous sections - on anything they can get away with/get an entry with.The rest of the country does what it wants,and its not just around the southwest where Pre65's are still out being used,you only have to look through TMX regs available to see just how much is going on.Or look at club websites like Aqueduct classics or the Yorkshire club.
Its fairly simple,put on trials where the bikes have a chance and the word gets around - out come the older bikes.
Back on Yam mono's - I can well remember Triss Ball turning up on a brand new TY 270R with all of John Shirts mods - what a cracking piece of kit,and he put on an excellent show with it.On a slippery camber over roots etc none of the other bikes could seem to hold a line like a Yam mono.Made my brand new TLR250 look like a kids toy.(Albeit a rather smart looking one...)

[FM350]

Lots of older riders are certainly wanting to change from modern to TS, but competitive bikes are getting more and more difficult to find, so the concept of a TS frame to accept TY Mono running gear, would be a winner for sure. This is what Chris Koch used to win the UK Normandale series last year, and while his bike isnt quite as good as one of the better Fantic's used in this series in the past, its the sort of thing which would be ideal for an older but still competitive rider to use in club level events.

Yorkshire Classic one of the few UK clubs not to have been blighted by Scottish "P65" Rules (anything goes if your face fits!), has a specials class, where anyone who has a bike which doesnt conform to club rules is obliged to ride. Maybe it would be better for other classic clubs to introduce a similar class which might help to keep sections more sensible, and avoid the need to introduce modern bike classes to make up for those who pack in due to not being able to cope with sections laid out to take marks from the riders of "specials"?

[Jon V8]

Lots of older riders are certainly wanting to change from modern to TS, but competitive bikes are getting more and more difficult to find, so the concept of a TS frame to accept TY Mono running gear, would be a winner for sure. This is what Chris Koch used to win the UK Normandale series last year, and while his bike isnt quite as good as one of the better Fantic's used in this series in the past, its the sort of thing which would be ideal for an older but still competitive rider to use in club level events.

Yorkshire Classic one of the few UK clubs not to have been blighted by Scottish "P65" Rules (anything goes if your face fits!), has a specials class, where anyone who has a bike which doesnt conform to club rules is obliged to ride. Maybe it would be better for other classic clubs to introduce a similar class which might help to keep sections more sensible, and avoid the need to introduce modern bike classes to make up for those who pack in due to not being able to cope with sections laid out to take marks from the riders of "specials"?

Two long paragraphs - more of the same,can you please,just for a change,answer a direct question ? Who are these classic clubs who have flagging entries and need mono's to boost their entries ?