Cub barrels.

[TriCub]

JC1. Not that it matters much at the moment but I did take a measurment of my cub forks with calipers this time and they are 33mm like you said. I believe the 35mm in line Bultaco forks started started quite early and were fitted to the 1st Pursang model in 65. Possibly even earlier.

I would go along with Geoff's sugestion to go pre67 and not pre68. Then the eligability of the late produced models from 67 aren't questioned. But a lot more research is still needed into what will or won't be effected and the impact it will have on the current riders

The clause about the exotic materials would be almost impossible to police, even myself with an engineering background would not be able to pick the difference between a Mag and Alum casting if it was painted black, let alone picking a piece of Moly tube over mild steel.

The clause about taking out the word visualy indistingusable and replacing it with visual replicas shouldn't happen as it mainly refers to parts from later model machines not replicas, although it does apply to replicas as well. If we leave it the way it is then replica part could be used but they would need to be good replicas. Possible we could add a clause to allow after market reproduction engine casting when the original is no longer available provided they are visualy similar of the original part. This would allow the barrels in that most people thought were ok.

I'm not in favour of Rogers idea of making a specials class at the moment as Ma will not approve a class if it only caters for a hand full of bike. MA is probably going to be a bit amused by the hole thing, no Spanish - Spanish in - Spanish out after a rider wins on one - Spanish back in again. I think the idea of pushng forward to pre67, freeing up the forks and letting Spanish back in will go along way to encourage quite a few more riders to get into classic and hopefully encourage more to come back to it.

We need to hear for a lot more people that approve of what is happening here rather than to just say there are no objections.
The submission does need to come from a Club or even better several clubs at the same time or the local sub committee and that can only happen after consultation with members that are involved in the classics with votes taken etc.
We need to be carefull that riders that don't frequent this forum(quite a few by the look of those commenting) are not left out of the descussion process.

[JC1]

I'm more than happy leaving it go too. I only chimed in cos people seemed to want to make the deadline this year & I could see no progress was being made to that end

MA is probably going to be a bit amused by the hole thing, no Spanish - Spanish in - Spanish out after a rider wins on one - Spanish back in again.

I couldn't agree more George!

Perhaps its time to start a new thread dedicated to Classic Rule Changes, & systematically work thro what changes are needed to the existing rules.

Might need to start from scratch :-

What defines the Classic era? 4speed 60's street/trail-based models, or whatever
How more inclusive can/should we go to broaden the base/appeal while sticking to "Classic" spirit?
What then is a realistic/workable cut-off date? etc

One would think it'd need people getting together to discuss it along the way too.

[sybella]

hi all Royal enfield came out with 34.927 mm [inch and three eight ]in 1960. i have a set . The problem with these sort of forums some one writes something on here and it becomes truth. Out class is dieing a slow death ,i see in the UK classic's is growing and are creating industries to remake parts.there classes seem to be strong and blokes are riding there bikes ,what are we doing wrong ???. ever body's is worried about who's got what .gristy got the right idea he turns up and competes.

[Geoff Lewis]

Hi, I find the statement to quote tricub "MA is probably going to be a bit amused by the hole thing,no Spanish -Spanish in -Spanish out after a rider wins on one -Spanish back in again" very imflammatory and unhelpful. It intimates that there was some conspiracy on behalf of other participants to exclude someone on the basis of their riding ability or some type of xenophobia. Fact. An individual won the event in question on a bike manufactured in 1966. Fact. It was a flow on model from 1965. Fact. No one, even at this stage, can establish that this model or its major components was being produced in 1964 other than in prototype form for Sammy Miller. Fact. the rules at that time established pre 65 Spanish were allowed. Fact. Alan Phillipson, on the M10 absolutely trounced some of Australias top Classic riders on what some claim was a technically inferior machine. So inferior that half the field in British trials by mid 1965 were so mounted. . Fact. If the class at that time had been Pre 66 or Pre 67 there would have been no issue. Fact. If the class is going to survive or possibly grow, changes need to be implemented. However the statement by George indicates to me that it will be all but impossible to move forward in any meaningful way with the individuals currently invoved. I agree with sybella and will not involve myself with any further discussion on the matter and just ride my bike in whichever class is available and leave the rest to those who seem to have all the answers.
Geoff Lewis

[TriCub]

Geoff.
My apologies for that comment about The M10. It wasn't meant to offend. I was trying to point out that Classic trials being propably the smallest group of riders in any form of motorcycle competion in Australia. We have to be carefull not to be looked on as a riders who can't make up their minds on a set of rules form 1 year to the next. Basically we need to get it correct with almost all in aggrement for anything new to work and not rush ahead blindly.

I would like to say that if our classic rules had be written correctly years ago and been Model based and not component based we would not be having this conversation. There is no doubt that the M10 isn't a 65 model bike and as such should have been excluded from a pre65 class but we date bikes on a component basis and there is no doubt that the first models came out of the Bultaco factory late 64 in Spain.

Don't give up we need opinions from all good or bad to work out which way to go. The Classics have taken a bit of a dive and to just say to people get out and ride them is not enough. We need to look at what is going to encourage new people to get a classic going as well as get the old boy's back out.

[sybella]

George ,hi i don't think by putting your bike in the shed is the answer either. Let poeple see these bikes working.This all started with can a 8 fin or 9 fin head would be ok to use ,I would want to use a 8 fin head if it ment my bike would run cooler, Talk about HI'JACKED But at the end of the day i just want to ride trials ,cheers tony bax

[Twinshock200]

You'll all be really pleased to hear that my little square barrelled Cub has burst into life after standing for two years.

I regretted plastering it with so much grease when I parked it but at least there is no rust.

Cleaned the carby out, wouldn't start on the kickstart, shoved it down the hill and bingo she burst into life with a muffled roar, ( I'd forgotten to unplug the exhaust) and a cloud of smoke, (I'd forgotten I pumped oil into the plug hole).
Forks feel a bit solid and the throttle's a bit stiff , it was so good to see all the grease bubbling on the exhaust pipe (probably should have wiped it off) but I just wanted to get it going.
Will catch up with a few guys over the next few weeks.
I'm a happy chappie today !!!
Galps

[JC1]

Found a late 67 Motorcyclist Illustrated. Results of W German round of Euro Championships:

Bul, Zundap 250, Greeves, Zundap 250, Suz 130, Zundap 100


Entries for British Experts (total 32):

11 Bul, 6 Greeves, 5 BSA (4x 250, 1x 175), 3 Cotton (2x 250, 1x 265), 3 Triumph (2x 200, 1x 226), 2 Ossa 230, 1 Cheetah, 1 DMW, 1 Sprite

Decent spread of models

[TriCub]

Found a late 67 Motorcyclist Illustrated. Results of W German round of Euro Championships:

Bul, Zundap 250, Greeves, Zundap 250, Suz 130, Zundap 100


Entries for British Experts (total 32):

11 Bul, 6 Greeves, 5 BSA (4x 250, 1x 175), 3 Cotton (2x 250, 1x 265), 3 Triumph (2x 200, 1x 226), 2 Ossa 230, 1 Cheetah, 1 DMW, 1 Sprite

Decent spread of models

I guess the big question would be how many of those bikes listed are in Australia and are any fit for riding or restoration.
Let us hear from anyone who has a 1965 , 66 or 67 model bike that they want to ride.
If we are still talking about rules then it is important to know what increase in numbers we will be looking at if it goes to pre68.

Also confirms my suspicion that even though everyone claims that the M10 Bultaco changed the English trials scene forever and that half the riders went to Bultaco in 65. It looks more like everyone on a heavyweight singles realised that riding a 500 wasn't the way to go and went to a lightweight bike.
It would be interesting to see the result sheet for that trial. My guess would be that the Bultaco riders didn't have the first 11 places all to them selves.
Also interesting to see the biggest capacity was a 265cc Cotton and that at least 1 Triumph rider had worked out how to fit a big piston.

[JC1]

George, you noted the exact reasons I posted it.

No results in the Brit Experts. It was cancelled due to foot & mouth disease