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[Greg Harding]

Hi Everyone,

I found another photo of that modified TY175/ :Honda: TLR200 that shows the amazing workmanship

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David, it might be a TLR 200 front wheel but I think it is a TLM 50 front wheel. They are the same with the same puny hub and brake, the reason why I think it is a TLM 50 front wheel is because they run 30 mm forks and they most likely came off the same bike? The bike looks like it is set up for someone that is small, maybe a junior rider and it would be a lazy steerer which might be good for someone learning?
John, I will reply in BLUE

Greg, I got them from Honda manuals uploaded to the web somewhere. Can't remember what site now. Thought it might have been the Honda only trial site but a quick check now didn't show them. So do you think it might be a typo or they couldn't find the specs for a TLR 200 and they threw in TL 250 specs?

I'v always assumed wheelbase to be as delivered from the factory, ie with standard gearing and chain tension adjusted to factory specs. Which means of course; change sprockets, change wheelbase specs and I'd guess they're different for the 200 & 250. If that was true then I think the wheelbase would be different because of different sprockets?

I have long wondered about the diff rake/trail specs too since they're often said to be the "same frame". Perhaps the 200's specs listed are for the Reflex model. (Interestingly they are the same as for the TL250 too.) As we know the Reflex model had different forks & triples. TLR 200 reflex have 33 mm forks, steel bashplate and steel rims makes me think budget model.

I've just checked part nos from the cmsnl site and TLR200 & 250 have same triples as you thought. So I am not going nuts?

Frame nos are different but that could be just the extra brackets for the 200. Any change would warrant new numbers?
Swingarm nos are also different but that may just be to suit the diff hubs & brake plates. TLR 200 has puny 12 mm axles and brake stay is 20 mm further back than the TLR 250 one here:

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Fork sliders (bottoms) are diff nos too which again may be to suit the diff hubs and brake plates which are also diff nos, but it might be worth checking the offset in the sliders Greg Pretty sure they are the same as mine has 250 on one side and 200 on the other. Having said that, I think either 200 or 250 forks will accept TLR 250 wheels or puny wheels!

[David Lahey]

This afternoon's project. It goes well

[Bully fanatic]

Very good move David. Even though I really like timing a Bultaco I also love not having to time my M199B as it has an In Motion ignition on it. The auto advance curve is also brilliant. You can have a really smooth bottom end with a screaming top end. I`m assuming that is your M49?

[Bully fanatic]

To answer your question David. Is it because Trials riders leave their entries until the last possible moment so they also don`t post anything unless they absolutely have too!

[David Lahey]

Very good move David. Even though I really like timing a Bultaco I also love not having to time my M199B as it has an In Motion ignition on it. The auto advance curve is also brilliant. You can have a really smooth bottom end with a screaming top end. I`m assuming that is your M49? :Bultaco: :Bultaco: :Bultaco:

Yes it is Graham and I'm really impressed with the M49 motor performance with the In Motion ignition. It is the same performance at low RPM as it was with points but in the mid range and upper revs the thing now goes like a rocket.

[Barry Pugh]

Very exciting week coming up for me. Tuesday morning I pick up my TY 250 and Italjet 350 Engines from Dan, what he has achieved with these motors is wizardry (thanks mate). Then Tuesday afternoon I Pick up my Fantic 200 that is being delivered to Georges house for me (thanks mate). Unfortunately, I have work in between the two pickups.

I have also bought an Italjet 250 to go with the 350 but unfortunately will have to wait till a trial down south before I pick her up. I have sold all my modern trials bikes and will build the TY 250a up as a daily ride and leave the Italjets and Fantic for twinshock and when I Want to feel special.

Been flat out on Masons Lobito and Sherco st125 lately but both are almost there. The Sherco is ridiculous to work on everything crammed in tucked away you pull engine completely out to do what should be the most simple of things to fix.

I went trail/enduro riding Friday and yesterday stuffed now but yesterday I was flying along this track on the 350 Kato and the front tyre went flat, I absolutely shat myself and thought the world had ended but managed to save it, so we checked the tyre out and all we could see was the bead had broken on both sides with no sign of a nail valve trouble etc, so Pumped it up rock hard and finished the ride. Bead went back in somewhere along the ride. taking the tyre off today to look but baffling. It is a GT fatty the easiest tyre to fit but won't be buying one again.

Anyone know how I can change from sherco shirly to just my name on here?

[David Lahey]

Anyone know how I can change from sherco shirly to just my name on here?

Welcome Barry Pugh, previously known as Sherco Shirly

[Barry Pugh]

Anyone know how I can change from sherco shirly to just my name on here?

Welcome Barry Pugh, previously known as Sherco Shirly

You are good David, Thanks

[Jools]

Was that a gender reassignment then?

[JC1]

Does anyone have an understanding for why "Basket Cases" has had nearly 12,000 views since the start of June but only four people have posted anything.

You're very observant David.
My only thought is that most guys who are into bikes aren't into writing, but are interested in what others write/post.

Thanks for posting that extra pic of the LHS of the TY. Wouldn't you love to see it with the 'skin' removed to see what he's done with the frame & exhaust.

Greg, I'll respond in green
John, I will reply in BLUE

Greg, I got them from Honda manuals uploaded to the web somewhere. Can't remember what site now. Thought it might have been the Honda only trial site but a quick check now didn't show them. So do you think it might be a typo or they couldn't find the specs for a TLR 200 and they threw in TL 250 specs? I have found it's not uncommon for manufacturers to quote some wrong specs in their own literature

I'v always assumed wheelbase to be as delivered from the factory, ie with standard gearing and chain tension adjusted to factory specs. Which means of course; change sprockets, change wheelbase specs and I'd guess they're different for the 200 & 250. If that was true then I think the wheelbase would be different because of different sprockets?
What I was getting at here is that if the offset and hence trail is different between the 200 & 250 (even if the rake is the same), with different sprockets it could bring the wheelbase back to the same spec