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Re: Rules for TS and P65?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:09 am
by FM350
Put it like this: Do you feel that if Bradley Wiggins had been able to fit a small petrol motor to his bike, and had used this to help win the Tour de France against others who didnt have the petrol helper motors fitted, is this something that would be fair merely because officials from his home cycle club felt that the petrol motors were a good thing at their club events, due to very steep hills locally?
Re: Rules for TS and P65?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 5:26 am
by FM350
Twinshock200 wrote:I don't wish to be rude but why don't JonV8 and FM350 have your little differences of opinion on trials.central and maybe the followers over there will join or oppose you both. I speak for myself but I reckon a few Aussies will also agree that you are both getting on our t*ts, this is an Aussie website and we are not interested in what happens in the friggin' Bath classic.
I do actually agree with one statement and that was that Aussie needs an organisation that caters for Twinshock and Classic riders because at the moment the severity of sections for these bikes in a mixed, modern & oldies trial, is such that the average rider is not bothering to dust the old bike off and have a go.
I think some people have also forgotten that Classic riders can go wherever they like in a section and doing Clubman lines seems to have started in Qld some years ago by consensus agreement between them at the start of each event, there are no rules that state they have to do Clubman lines. Since then the Clubman (white)lines are catering for the superb steering, suspenion and braking of the modern bikes and have been getting evermore difficult but Twinshocks and Classic machinery have basically not changed.
I don't really think some organisers want to put themselves out to cater for about 2 classic bikes and 5 twinshocks in a mixed event so the answer is up to the riders to either get together and start new clubs, new organisation or get out and put on T/S, Classic and lower grade rider events.
Before anybody tells me to get off my arse and do it they should know that I am indisposed at the moment but it is definitely on my agenda and anybody who knows me will also know that I do get off my arse.
Twinshock200
I am not interested much in what happens at Bath Classic either to tell you the truth, and should Jon want to continue to run events without any sort of rules thats up to him entirely!
However unless there is already an organisation specifically involved with promoting the idea of building, riding, and competing on older bikes in your particular part of the world, then why not expand on the views you have outlined above, and maybe look toward making some changes for the better?
Re: Rules for TS and P65?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 6:07 am
by Jon V8
Twinshock 200,thank you for your comments,very pleasant.Problem is this thread cant take place on TC because Chris Stevens was booted off it some time ago.I have no wish to bore Aussies with whats going on here,(But you are very welcome to come along to our events if you are over here) but I'm damned if I'll stand by and see the efforts of the vast majority of UK clubs/riders rubbished - ANYWHERE.Would you not stand up for your own ?
Chris Stevens will carry on like this until he is stopped,this is where I get off,just let it be recorded that I tried to offer another view of our shared love.
Re: Rules for TS and P65?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 8:11 am
by Twinshock200
FM350, I will expand on my ideas at the appropriate time and through the proper channels, I thought I hadn't seen too much of you on TC.
JonV8, thanks for the inside info on the above, and thanks for the invite to your events, I will look your club up and contact you.
Sorry to get a bit nasty but I felt this topic was getting "off" topic.
Cheers
T200
Re: Rules for TS and P65?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 9:13 am
by pop
I cant read long posts anymore because of my "short attention disorder", but in the long term, do we not also need someone to start manufacturing a TS bike? as the sheds are starting to look empty. Peferably a chinese bike for around $1500 like their trail bikes, as they would need just as much work as a classic.
Re: Rules for TS and P65?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:42 pm
by FM350
As we have a situation here in the UK where modern recently manufactured "P65" bikes can be ridden in the very highest level events, yet riders on original bikes not fitted with the approved billet alloy wheel hubs are excluded, it seems to me that there is obviously a very clear need for rules, notwithstanding JonV8's strongly held opinion that introducing workable rules in some way rubbishes the efforts of the majority of UK clubs and riders.