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Geoff.
I have a question for you about something you said in your post on pre65 Spanish. I know it's geting away from the subject at hand but you said that using a Keihin carburator was "pushing the envelope". Do you think that using a pre65 Keihin on a Cub from a pre65 Honda is pushing the envelope?
I still can't work out why all of a sudden that carbs that have been used in classics since it started in Australia and that can easily be proved to have been made well before 1965 or now going to be outlawed by the people that are meant to look after the interests of the majority of riders.

Hi George, Yes I did say that and at that time, after reading about Jap carb bans in pre 65 in England I thought that there must have been a reasonable rationale behind their decisions, however sometime after my post, Chris Leighfield showed me an E-mail he had recieved from Honda Aus. There is now no doubt in my mind that round slide keihin carbs were in use before 1965. Whether they were in common use by trials competitors I simply wouldn't know. I also know round slide Mikuni Carbs were fitted to Japenese machines pre 65 but as far as I can determine only those fitted with the idle adjuster in the top of the carb as fitted to Suzuki T10 etc . Please let me make it clear that I had absolutely nothing to do with the Sup regs at the Aus. Titles. I believe the organisers did what they thought was best at the time, it wasn't popular,at least not with me, but I don't think it would have changed the outcome of the winner anyway. Unfortunately all this eligibility talk is like watching paint dry for most people and awfully confusing for officials I'm sure. I think Gristy hit the nail on the head that we need to review the rules as they are currently written but we must be careful not to throw out the baby with the bath water. There is no way that a group of people with such disparate views and differing agenda as Classic riders can possibly hope to reach a consensus on these issues, particularly hiding behind computer screens, and I feel that at some stage we will need to appoint our own state reps to get together to hammer out an acceptable proposal to put to MA. The less people involved at that level the more chance of some form of agreement. The grey areas need to be minimised or eliminated where possible.However George, that's only my opinion,and let me make it clear that I do not present myself as a spokesman for the Classic trials movement in Victoria. I have been asked from time to time to give my view to Trials Vic on a very few matters and in light of events I regret having done so. Whatever the outcome, I am still going to enjoy my trials and my bikes for as long as I can. I might even get a haircut to make my head look squarer! I think my barrel is too round to really change at this stage.
Regards Geoff.

Geoff
Thanks for the reply and your honesty.
The whole Carb thing is quite stupid, I have only come across one person who thinks that we need to ban the non-English carbs or maybe 2 and yet it has been proposed as a rule change. The rule changes as fare as I believe have gone through for next year.
In southeast Queensland we have 3 active trials clubs with most about 75% of the classic riders in one club yet not one of those riders knew anything about proposed rule changes until the whole Australian title thing came out. So it seems that at least from a Queensland piont of view the minority has won the day.

TriCub wrote:how many bikes out there have their original engine capacity , ignitions ,porting ,cams exhausts and compression ratio or whatever else makes engines go better. .

i can honestly say my bike hasnt had any of these things changed

Allan.

I believe you, from the photo's your bike looks fantastic.
It's a real shame about the rule changes I would love to ride against you on your M10 but my bike is out now as well due to the evil Jap carb. You know when I was a kid I came across men who had fought against the Japanese in the WW2 and they wouldn't have anything to do with made in Japan anything. I wonder what reason some of our fellow classic rider have for not wanting anything other than English.

Hi George and others, I cannot think of any reason why you can't ride against Alan on his Bultaco M10 on your Tiger cub. Denman hold several trials per year with a Pre 70 class. Why can't you ride one of these trials? I did and it was terrific fun. In Victoria we hold many events where Classic and Twinshock are combined so age elligibility and carb issues don't occur. Other clubs in other states probably do the same. I am going to ask the Tasmanian trials subcommittee to consider to redefine their classic class as pre 68 or pre 70 for their state title. This may bring more competitors to the class and get around the elligibility problems with carbs etc. You could ride against Alan at this event for example. If you mean at the Australian titles, then that is a different matter. I consider the Australian titles to be the most exciting trial of the year but the least representative of the riding talents of the average Classic Trials enthusiast. An 'A' grader will always beat a 'B' grader will beat a 'C' grader will beat a 'Clubman' , that's just how it goes . The A graders come out of the woodwork mostly for the titles in classic and post classic as we all know. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but its the guys who ride the old dungers in almost every trial during the year who are the true flagbearers. It may come to pass(the way things are going) that other non British bikes may be excluded from Classic competiton at the titles , it won't stop me from riding my CZ in competiton.I suggest you don't worry so much about the titles and enjoy your bike.
Regards Geoff.

Geoff.
You are correct that we can still ride the bikes in competions but not in classic. I could go out in clubman and compete against current model bikes if I wanted or a "B" grader could attemt to ride a classic in "B" grade if he was stupid enough but I thought the idea was to compete against other classic machines on sections that suited the bikes.
Traveling outside Qld for me is out of the question at the moment due to work and family commitments so when I was in my opion illegally told that I could not enter the titles in my home state I was a little upset.
I think that at least 2 out of the 3 local clubs will be running with the new rules next year as they were the ones that's made the push for the changes.
Perhapes we need to start a new class for non-british pre 65 bikes although that wouldn't help me much unless I put Honda badges on my Triumph. That's a question, which major components determine what make a machine is?

So my reproduction AJS EVO will or wont qualify for Classic next year?

Just fit it with an Amal MK1 concentric and you should be good.

Are they fat bars PA? get them changed if your riding in classics!