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Re: My long time friend the pransing horse

Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:32 am
by Tioli
I think I will have to leave it and get some more 400. If it wasn't for the scratches at 3 o'clock I would leave it at that
More to go
More to go
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Sheet of glass and 400 grit wet and dry
400 and finish with 6 or 800
400 and finish with 6 or 800
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Re: My long time friend the pransing horse

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 8:31 pm
by Tioli
Progress is slow
Weeks work
Weeks work
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I want to give this bike some aspects of a trials bike.
This bike is a classic with a 25 year production run
This bike is a classic with a 25 year production run
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I work on this one like a race bike.
This bike is a classic with a 25 year production run
This bike is a classic with a 25 year production run
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This model has some history. End of the air cooled. Electric start with no kick starter. That suggest confidence in the starting system.
I enjoy the history.
I enjoy the history.
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Re: My long time friend the prancing horse

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 9:43 pm
by Tioli
I bought it as not going apparently it wouldn't start I did some research and came to the conclusion valves to tight. Common reason for not starting and feasible for 3000 k.
Still having problems with posting photos
Still having problems with posting photos
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So pulled it down and scrubbed the farm off it. He said he bought it off some bloke and had a piston put in it. Why a piston at 3000k. Some thing about that's what you always do with a 2 stroke. I can see that. That gasket ossing red goo is still wet. Strange how you can listen to some one and not hear what they stead. No it's not the drying type. Fair enough so I gave him $1,200

3000 kilometres how bad can it be :D man that bike looks at the upper edge of 3000k's
Missing starting plunger, two stripped minor head bolts. Helli coil in the left head bolt. There are 2 helli coils in the left head bolt, the bottom one is in so deep the tag is still in place. Some thing must shave gone wrong with putting in the second as the head bolt will only wind in the length of the head bolt which is why it has half the thread. The rest was cut off. Which could explain why it was loos to start with.
The head gaslit looks like it was scrawled off with a old paint scraper.
Sleazed plots
Gaslit shit every where if it was under preacher it's solidified or if not its gunk.
Obviously reusing gaskets. What does that say.
I think it's been a interesting 3000ks.
Some good points are Reathal bars, hand guards slip on

It's going back together with MX pipes modified, enduro cam, half manual CV carb (not my choice at this stage) air box mods

Re: My long time friend the pransing horse

Posted: Fri May 03, 2013 11:20 pm
by Tioli
It's hard to post with a iPads. Strange things happen
Ended with road k's
Ended with road k's
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I edit my posts and :!: put in more information but then loose it?
Not exactly shore what it did
Not exactly shore what it did
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So

Re: My long time friend the pransing horse

Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 11:30 pm
by Tioli
Torking those bolts down was nervece. And I got my fear, two of them went soft.

Uhr Google options, Engineers shop, which one, what's the options, how much.
I have to do every thing twice
I have to do every thing twice
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Nice guy, asked i have some new bolts. I had to pay a small amount extra because it took 3 x as long. They will remember me.
The work he put in
The work he put in
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It had better work. I can feel his frustration and the last thing I want is to take it back broken.
That was done with a laser?. Tapped in rod and drilled out
That was done with a laser?. Tapped in rod and drilled out
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Before when I put the barrels on I noticed the piston ring was stuck in place in one spot. Further inspection reviles that the excess red gasket, hardening under lode goo had made its way into the top ring grove and cemented its self in!

Oho joy
I should have known
I should have known
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Re: My long time friend the pransing horse

Posted: Fri May 31, 2013 11:56 pm
by Tioli
The barrels are on again and I was just lining up the new but half crushed once after market head gasket and noticed this.
Now I have a reason to get that new original head gasket I know I should always have gotten
Now I have a reason to get that new original head gasket I know I should always have gotten
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Off course I can now take the side cover off again because I like reusing once crushed never used gaskets.
I never wanted to take the clutch off
I never wanted to take the clutch off
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My mate had suggested several times I should look into the oil pump. You have still not found that small decompression pin.
Strange how I have to take the oil pump off to put a new cam chain on.

Seems it has had a play with the cam chain on the way down. Any chance it's in the oil pump!!!
One step forward and two back
One step forward and two back
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When I get this going and had some use with it. I think I will get it road registrable again and may take it on special events.
I have a plan. I'm going to need to make a pretty special fork brace to hold the mudguard in that place.
Why not play with this one
Why not play with this one
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I have already started on the motor. It may not be a big one but if its happy they are all fun to ride

Re: My long time friend the pransing horse

Posted: Sat Jun 01, 2013 12:24 am
by Tioli
This model has a air bleed into the exhaust port to burn off the last of the fuel.
I had plugged up one side By dremmiling out the opening, drilling, taped, chopped off a bolt and turned into a grub screw and lock tight in.
The other side had a Devcon bunged up hole that I had left as it was. Now that its off again my nagging feeling of. If one side was open changes are it used to be bunged off but blew out. What's the changes that the other side may go some time as well.
So I took the opportunity to permanently close it
Shame about the scratch. But it does not matter in any way.
If I didn't fix it I know I'd be back.
If I didn't fix it I know I'd be back.
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I bought a jet kit that took a while to arrive and now that I can put the motor together. I discover the jet kit is for the normal models and not my odd one that never should have come to Australia. Seems the jets are my size and five grades smaller. They agreed to send a mother set five grades larger and I will enjoy the delay.

Re: My long time friend the pransing horse

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 11:46 am
by Tioli
This is the offending pin that I think caused cam chain damage? Not that I know what the previous "mechanic" had done
Plunger
Plunger
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I am so lucky I accidentally spotted that. If the head bolts had not gone soft when doing them up. I'm sure it would have failed at a very inappropriate moment.
How does that happen?
How does that happen?
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I could not find the pin
No pin
No pin
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Nor is it in the oil pump.
Not in the oil pump
Not in the oil pump
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If its in there some where its probably waiting for the right time to strike.

Re: My long time friend the pransing horse

Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 12:38 pm
by Tioli
When I was putting on the head I noticed it didn't want to go down on the dowels. Seems the problem was way I thought was a good dowel wosnt. It says jammed in with gasket gue,misting askew and high. This would have throne the mâché nest off on his measurements. Lucky I ordered a new one as seen in the photo.
The new one piece thread and dowel measured on the border line of beeping to high and may prevent torquing down and consequence Leakey head gasket.
The one in the picture has already been shaved by one or so mm
Glad I measured it
Glad I measured it
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Didn't want to take the barrel off again so lowered it like this
Worked
Worked
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The aftermarket gasket has a big gap between the boar edge and the crush ring. I haven't done the maths but I suspect its quite a lot of compression loss. Must be a one size fits all thing?
I never noticed that the file marks are so rough till I looked at the photo.
Big gap
Big gap
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The OEM gasket is perfect.
Why would a 12 year old motor that had done 3000k need a new piston?
.75 oversize
.75 oversize
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This is the part I'm nervice about. I'm not a four stroke person and cam timing is new to me
I'd rather port a two stroke but they smoke so there days are up
I'd rather port a two stroke but they smoke so there days are up
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Re: My long time friend the pransing horse

Posted: Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:47 pm
by Tioli
One last thing is the cam locating end play pin. The previous "mechanic" thought it ok to reuse these. Haven't a clue how he broke them bu I think i will replace them.
I won't reuse them like some
I won't reuse them like some
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Now I have been running down this alleged " mechanic" that put the new piston in as I work my way out of the mess.
Every thing was going fine and the motor seems to go back together well when it done right.

Now I have to admit to doing some of my own butchering:

I bought this jet kit that along with the jets tells you how to fix a few aspects of the carb. It all sounds fine To me and I'm up for a challenge.
Sounds good to me
Sounds good to me
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I'm not very experienced with CV type carbs or 4 strokes. The carb is strange with its mechanical cam to force the vacuumed slide open to half way. Then there is the check valve I think it's called it's supposed to richer the mix on back off so that you don't get so much popping from a lean mix.
Half mechanical CV and vacuumed enriching on back off
Half mechanical CV and vacuumed enriching on back off
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My instinct is to dump this carb and put on something with a pumper of some type. Only problem is that throttle position sensor. I have never seen a carb with one before. It has to be telling the advance curve where the throttle is open to and it maximises the timing. I can't or can't find out how to replace it yet so I'm stuck with it for now.
Throttle position sensor on a card?  What next
Throttle position sensor on a card? What next
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