The Protest Avoiding thread

[Scorps]

Howdy Y'all,

Over on OZVMX there is a big Brewhaha going on over the recently run Australian Vintage MX championships and bike eligibility. Before the Aussie title are run, protested and won, lets see what sort of illegal, cheating* behaviour we can stamp out before the titles start.

Based on 2009 MoM section 23.5:

Carbies - check your OKO's and Keihin's for eligibility - they must have been available BEFORE 31/12/1986

Frames - don't cut that bad boy - the frame you run must be INDISTINGUISHABLE from one BEFORE 31/12/1986

Forks - those TY250 mono forks are eligible right? No idea, but I don't see why they cant be as they come from a bike which started its production run before 31/12/1986 (and remember, there is no mention about the Major Components needing to come from a twinshock)

Oh and importantly:
Shocks - must have 2 (TWO) of those, and come that way from the factory.
Discs - only allowed as a form of induction, not as a braking system.

I need everyone else to post their mod (cheating tactics) and/or concerns as a heads up for those who are riding at the Aussie titles.

*Note: We all know it is cheating - because as we are enlightened enough to be trials riders, we can not claim ignorance on any level!

Cheers,
Your friendly neighbourhood eligibility scrutineer,
Scorps

[ianrogers]

You got a bit of time on your hands over in the north west Don Corleoni??????
If I had my way I'd ban em all

[Stu]

OK, what about Majesty's, Suzuki special replica's or any other replica's? Are they legal?

[Scorps]

Howdy Y'all,

Hi Stu, If it was available pre 1986 (period) I can't imagine it being a problem. And if it is an exact replica of something available pre 86, it shouldn't be a problem (I imagine).

What have you got you're trying to slip through?

Cheers,
Your friendly neighbourhood ScorpaMan,
Scorps

[Stu]

Scorps, No my TY250 is the real deal, just older..I was just wondering what may turn up at the Aussie Weekend and if anyone will protest..

[garrison]

...
Frames - don't cut that bad boy - the frame you run must be INDISTINGUISHABLE from one BEFORE 31/12/1986

...

I'm not running at the nationals, nor am I ever likely to, but what about a frame that's been massively modified by ramming what seems like it must have been every rock at Pacific Park 20 years ago?

[Tee-Why]

The boys on Oz VMX are pretty particular in regards to period authenticity to relevant class.
Aussie VMX seems a fair bit stricter in this area than the UK and USA, including trials.

My external mods are all period parts that were available in their day or off "like" period non trials bikes. Internal mods, (not all complete yet), will be modern new replacement or modified new versions. My shocks are new trials replacements, not genuine.

I am not going to ride the Nationals either, one day, who knows?

[sharvie]

Talking of what was available in that pre 1985 era, check http://www.mxworksbike.com/RH80.htm
These bikes have sand cast magnesium everything, billet aluminium, Titanium and yes even carbon fibre in the late 70's & early 80's, even low stiction fork coatings. Talk of modifications some factory bikes have zero interchangable parts with a production bike.
If you can get your hands on a factory bike it would surley be legal the compete on it.
This bring us back to what legal mods can be made today, I guess any materials or technology that was available within the cut-off dates of your class would be legal.


Steve

[Twinshock]

Interesting comments.
I've just come back from a holiday in the UK and I managed to attend a pre 65 classics and twinshock event in the Midlands. They had about 45 riders on a multitude of bikes from big heavy weights to Ty's.
The specifications of the majority of these bikes led me to believe they shouldn't be eligible for a pre 65 or a twinshock event over here, major frame mods, obvious engine differences and strange smelling fuel !!!!
The main thing that hit me was the different classes within the event being catered for, there were 10 different ones from; "Beginners all classes" to "Twin cylinder Expert".
The biggest number of riders in one grade was 17 in "Twinshock Clubman", in most of the others there were only two or three riders.

My point is that I believe there is a need to start introducing some level of grading within twinshock to separate experienced riders from "beginners" especially within championsghip events, although not to the extent that the Poms have gone to.
We have seen the extremely competant riders in SE Qld taking to Twinshock bikes and having a great time and good luck to them but wouldn't it be great for a guy to drag a bike out of the corner of his shed knowing that he could have a ride and compete against guys of equal ability.
Thats my tuppence worth except that I am thinking of changing my pen name from Twinshock to VIBSA and also, my apologies to anyone who suffered dazzle burns after inspecting the polished alum on it at the LRMTC Interclub "Show and Shine" last weekend.
C ya
Twinshock

[yamfan]

Great thread, so what defines ineligable frame mods? in the 70's and 80's riders creating their own frame mods was fairly common, copying the latest majesty laid down shocks or modifying bash plates on their SWM's. Does this really mean that we can't emulate these mods today i'm pretty sure that most mods would have been tried and tested sometime in the last 90 years.

I rode a borrowed TY175 in this years SA state round and it had a extended DT175 swinging arm and home made repositioned foot rests with Beta pegs does this make it ineligable? Sammy Miller sells a similar footrest kit in his catalog along with fiberglass tank units etc: does this mean we can ride a twinshock with similar designed copied after market parts? where do we draw the line, or do we.

The likes of Mr Chapman would do just as well in the Post Classic class at the nationals roding a bigwheeled TY80 its not so much the machine but his riding ability that defines a champion as with all grades of our sport.

I'll be riding a TY175 at the nats and apart from some extra chrome it is pretty standard (except for the bigger !@#$ and the extended %^&* :) ) If I can get to within 50 point of the good guys then my trip from the west would have been worth it)