Gristy's 2 bobs worth pre 65

[gristy]

Good on the Moto Trials Commission for making these changes and not asking the majority of Pre65 riders is this what they want? So far on this subject on this forum there has been no real solutions. We’ve had the model 10 drama, not produced to the public until post December ’64 so is illegal, but the square barrel cub, legal, even though it wasn’t made for the public until February ’65 legal, since when is the French army general public? Don’t worry tricub ring Serco in England, get an alloy oval 250 barrel and you’re still legal. Is a bike put together with different brands a manufactured bike? Bantam Villiers for example, yes they did happen in their day, so did using Jap parts. That’s another reason I’m not competing, technically my rigid Cub was not manufactured pre65. Plunger cubs had their springs removed from plungers and alloy blocks fitted to make them rigid, so the chain would not come off. As my 54 plunger frame suffered from ‘POS’ (previous owner syndrome) and the rear had been attacked with oxy and chisel, I made it into a rigid. A amal mk1 is post 65 and is legal and a kiehin is pre 65 and illegal, yet you can run Jap fuel tanks, rims plus piston, clutches etc internally.

If we want to keep the British rules, that means I can buy a brand new faber otter frame, billet alloy triple clamps, hubs, axles, get a set of late model cub cases, fit a Serco crank, 250 alloy barrel, GasGas gear box and clutch, plastic mud guards, slim plastic fuel tank, no seat plus 35mm Betor forks. The bike would look nothing like a pre 65 but is still legal.

People keep on about the British rules, it was set up to suit the British glory days, but when the Poms set this up they really should have done it pre60. The heavyweights were well and truly out of favour by December 64.

Here is some ideas for Australian pre65 –
Frames – all frames including replica must have standard pre65 geometry (hard to
Police but honesty would be nice) no kit frames, otter, wasp etc.
Shocks - Limit shock length 13.5 to 14 inches.
Bash plate height - 10 inches
Foot Pegs - Minimum 1 inch from top of bash plate to bottom of foot peg
Mud Guards – Alloy or steel
Fuel tanks – Alloy, steel or fibreglass of period design not TY, TLR etc,
Front forks - 33mm max diameter as per pre65
Triple clamps – to be pre65, no billet etc
Rims – Minimum 36 spoke steel or alloy
Hubs – Pre65 design, no billet or forged alloy unless factory public not works. Jap
Postie hubs to 84, easy to identify cheap wheel build. No alloy axles
Seats – Minimum 2 inches thick, 8 inches long, 7 inches wide at rear and 3 inches
Front, so the rear frames aren’t modified too narrow.

If the components were made before Dec 64 for general public in any country it should be legal. As for the dreaded Spanish M10 bikes why not let them compete but under a handicap of say 20 points as per Veterans etc. You might need one one day to make up the Class but don’t ban all Spanish.

All the above ideas are easily checked with tape measure and magnet. Bikes would still look something like pre65 and not twin shock or worse still a mono.
Regards, Gristy

[A.Phillipson]

fair call gristy.

i could still use alloy axles and bits and bobs,just put some steel in the ends.

if anything all bikes should be as orginally manufactured,then i can see no spanish bikes aloud.


Im honestly waiting for a minimum age limit being placed on classic riders.