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Thanks for clearing up that up Paul but I'm still uncertain how the Junior riders capacity rule will work for riders under 16 years old who don't ride in Junior Competitions? The MOMS say
" The following age groups and capacity
classes subject to GCR 12.16.0.1
may compete on courses for junior
competitions:"

Does this rule apply to riders who will be under 16 in 2013, but who want to ride in classes other than the Junior Classes?

I'm expecially concerned about the effect this rule will have on young riders who want to ride Post Classic bikes, because the most popular bike for these riders is the TY175 (ie a bike of bigger capacity than 125cc).

Unlike modern 125cc bikes bikes which share the same frames and wheels as the larger capacity versions, Twinshock era bikes were made in a variety of frame sizes, with the smaller capacity bikes (TY175, Cota 123, Cota 172, Cota 200) being designed for smaller riders, and bike choice was based on the riders size and weight, rather than purely on level of experience. Twinshock era motors of all capacities were all docile to use in comparison to highly responsive modern bikes. Nowadays riding a modern 125 is seen as a good thing for the development of young riders and I agree totally with that idea for riders and and families who want to ride modern bikes, but it does not fit well at all with the situation for riders and their families who compete in Twinshock trials competition.

It is not just a thing about the popularity of the TY175 in the youngster ranks. There are also kids who are way too big for the TY175 and for whom a bigger (frame size bigger) bike is needed. As you can see how this local youngster looks at age 14 on his KT250, he is too big to fit onto a TY175 (and was probably too big at by the time he was 12 years old)



Please clarify the 125cc rule for riders under 16 for riders in Post Classic (Twinshock) class

Hi David

You raise very good points but my understanding is that the rule applies to ALL trials events from 2013 including Post Classic and Classic.

Speaking personally I would venture to suggest that no one gave any thought to Post Classic and Classic events when the rule was discussed and changed – it would seem to have slipped through to the keeper so to speak. My understanding is the rule is aimed to bring Australian Titles and Opens into line with the FIM rules. It doesn’t seem to make sense for Post Classics when the TY 175 has been the Junior machine of choice since its invention.

My suggestion would be push it through to your MQ rep/commissioner and I’ll do the same from NSW.

Paul Mac

I’m sure there are a number of other related issues here regarding Juniors riding in say, C class as an adult i.e. non junior, but it will need someone with a better understanding of the rule book than me to answer that - any takers? The first thought that comes to mind is 'God forbid' in that case of an accident. If the MOM’s state that the M/C capacity for an entrant under 16 is limited to 125cc, I wouldn’t want to be the test case for the Insurance adjuster...

I think we need to work collectively to get this addressed – we’ll discuss it at our next NSW Moto Trials Sports committee meeting and keep you all up to speed with our thoughts, but each state should do the same since I’m not sure we have a ‘window of opportunity’ to change anything before 2014.

Paul Mac